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Id:	kmc00119/kmc00119_vid1
Title:	Oral Testimony of KARANGWA Janvier
Sequence:	1 of 2
Abstract:	The oral testimony of KARANGWA Janvier, a survivor of the Genocide Against the Tutsi,recorded by the Kigali Genocide Memorial in Kigali, Rwanda. The testimony discusses early memories of childhood and family, discrimination and persecution of Tutsis before Genocide, the worst atrocities during Genocide, suffering and witnessing human rights abuses, surviving the Genocide, life after the Genocide. The testimony is given in Kinyarwanda.

Publisher:	Kigali Genocide Memorial

Language:	kin
Rights:	Kigali Genocide Memorial

Creator:	KARANGWA Janvier, Kigali Genocide Memorial
Format:	mini-DV tape

Continues with Part 2 of the Oral Testimony of Karangwa Janvier.

Ubuhamya Bwanditse

Karangwa: Nitwa KARANGWA janvier navutse ku itariki ya 20/05/1986 navukiye ibutare muri komini ya runyinya umurenge wari buhoro akagari ka nyamikawa iwacu twari abana batandatu n’ababyeyi papa yitwaga munyentwari evaliste mama akitwa ……….nari mfite abavandimwe umukuru yitwaga immaculee hakaza na beatha wamukurikiraga na kalisa na gaspard na egide karinijabo nijyewe wari bucura mbere ya jenocide twabaga aho ngaho muri uwo murenge hari ahantu higiturage sinavuga ko twari abakire ariko twari abantu bibeshejeho dufite inka nkeya n’imirima nubushobozi bwo gukora twitunze muri abo bose beatha niwe wenyine wabashije kwiga amashuri yisumbuye bakuru banjye nuwo mushiki wanjye wimfura barigaga barangiza amashuri abanza bagakora ikizamini cya leta ariko twibabafate mubajya muri secondaire kuko bafataga bakeya kandi akenshi ugasanga ni n’abahutu gusa ariko mushiki wanjye uwo beatha we yari umuhanga cyane nawe ubwambere yarakoze kuko yari yasabye kuziga section scientifique muri sccondaire ntibamufata.

Karangwa: Umwarimu wabigishaga niwe wamugiriye inama ati ibyo bintu ntabwo bisabwa nubonetse wese ati ibyo ntabwo ari ibyanyu ati wowe uzashake section usaba itagezweho cyane ati wenda baza kwemerera yaje gusa normal primaire arasibira uwo mwaka barongera bakora aratsinda aho kukigo babafashe ari abantu babiri gusa we nundi wundi w’umuhutu ariko ubwo ngubwo yaragiye ariga natwe dusigara aho ngaho mushiki wanjye na bakuru banjye bamwe biga serayi nyine baguma aho murugo twabanaga nabaturanyi bose uko nabibonaga nabonaga ntakibazo dufitanye abenshi turi inshuti tujyayo tugakina n’abana babo iwabo nabo bakaza iwacu ubona ntakibazo twagiranaga nabaturanyi kereka ahubwo umugabo umwe wari umusinzi niwe najyaga mbona atumvikana n’abaturanyi yewe na papa nawe ntibumvikanaga kubera imyifatire ye yazaga yasinze atukana ugasanga aratuka uwo abonye wese.

Karangwa: Ariko icyantangaje nuko nasanze uwo nguwo yari umututsi ahubwo hanyuma babandi twumvikanaga akaba aribo babahutu akaba aribo baduhemukiye ubwo rero twabaga muri ubwo buzima twari dufite undi muryango kugasozi hakurya hari kwa sogokuru ubyara mama yari aturanye n’umuhungu we ubwo ni marume ndetse jenocide yanatangiye naratangiye ishuri ahantu hitwa ikarama hari centre iriho paruwasi iriho komini niho yari iri hari na secondaire ari aga centre kagomeye aho rero niho nigaga mu mwaka wa mbere jenocide yabaye mpamaze kuhiga ibihembye bibiri kandi naratsindaga neza ibyo bihembwe byombi nabaga uwambere niganaga rero n’abana bo kwamarume hirya kumuyange.

Karangwa: Iyo navaga aho ku ishuri ngiye murugo hari umugezi wari urimo iyo imvura yabaga yaguye ukuzura najyaga kwirarira aho kwa sogokuru nyogokuru we yari yarapfuye najyayo nkararana na sogokuru ari umuntu mwiza cyane ukunda kuganiriza abantu bose kandi abantu benshi bamukunda jenocide ijya kuba hari hari muri vacance ndibuka nabonye abantu benshi bahita imbere yo murugo noneho tukibaza aho bajya noneho tukumva ngo ko ar ‘impunzi babantu babaga mu iramba muyindi komini ariko bacaga hafi murugo bavuga ngo barahunze ngo abahutu bo kugikongoro ngo bari kubica bari kubasenyera turabibona nk’iminsi itatu hashize igihe nyine uwo mushiki wanjye beatha niwe waje aratubwira ati reka reka byabaye nabi ati abahu bigikongoro barimo barica abantu ati bahereye mu iramba ati none na nubu bagiye kutugeraho ati duhunge papa aramwangira ati ntaho tujya ntacyo tubaye ati umuhutu uri budusange aha ninde ati turirwanaho.

Karangwa: Barangije mushiki wanjye we yanga kuva ku izima apakira imyenda n’iki turajyenda njyewe nakandi kana hari akandi kana kari kari murugo kahamaze igihe gito kabaga Uganda habagayo data wacu wari warahunze kera arakohereza aravuga ati wowe jyenda usange bene wanyu kuko bo bari barabuze uko baza bari barabahejeje hanze ario umwana we yashoboye kuza turabana jenocide rero imusanga aho ntanigihe kinini aramara ataramenya yewe n’ikinyarwanda ubwo rero njyewe nako kana kitwaga hariette yaradufashe tumanuka tujya ikarama tujyeze munzira papa abimenye ko twagiye yohereza uwo kalisa aramubwira ati jyenda unzanire abana niba uwo mukobwa ashaka kujyenda umureke ajyende ati arahunga ahunga iki ko hano ntakibazo dufite turi kugaruka rero twahuye nabo baza bati batugezemo barimo baratwika amazu kabaye nuguhunga nyine turamanuka icyo gihe ntabwo twahise tujya ikarama twaraye ahantu bita inyarusange hari akabari kuwo marume wari utuye aho kumuyange.

Karangwa: Turarayo hari n’abantu benshi ariko bucya dukomeza turi kumanuka hari ahantu twageze hasa nahegutse dusubiza amaso inyuma dusanga n’inzu yo murugo bari kuyitwika ubwo nyine tubona ko kabaye turamanuka tujya ikarama twageze ikarama tukihajyera ariko ntago twahise tugira amazu tujyamo neza ngo twumve turuhutse kuko hakomeje kuza ibihuha ko bari budusange aho ubwo bamwe muri twe twagiye mu ishyamba ryari riri hafi aho tujya kwihishamo twumva nta mutekano dufite aho icyo gihe twagiye yo ndetse hari n’abahutu bamanutse abagabo bacu nabasore bacu bari kujyenda barwana nabo hari n’umugabo witwa silivina yanahapfiriye ijisho barimurashemo umwambi nawe yari ariho arwana afite n’umuheto ndamwibuka ubwo ngubwo tujya muri iryo shyamba twihishamo.

Karangwa: Bigeze nimugoroba imvura irangwa itunyagiriramo ijoro ryose bucyeye tubona ubwo buzima ntitwabushobora dusubira ikarama dusanga noneho hageze abantu benshi tujya mu mashuri noneho beatha we kubera ko tutari twazanye yari yagiye mukibikira ubwo jya mu ishuri n’abavandimwe na papa na mama noneho tuguma aho twavuye murugo ari nko ku itariki cumi n’eshatu arik o sinibuka neza ariko hari hakiri kare icyo gihe bahuraga inka hafi aho ngaho tukarya ibiryo tuguze aho ngaho kuko hari hari centre hari hari ibintu umuceri ibiki tukagura ibindi abo basore bakajya bajya mungo bakajya kureba niba hari icyo basanga murugo ibyo munzu byo ibitari byarahiye bari babisahuye mbere ubwo twabayeho gutyo ariko ku itariki makumyabiri muri butare bari bataratangira kwica cyane kugeza kuri iyo tariki byo nabimenye nyuma ya jenocide nyine ko ngo baje kwica prefe waho kuko ngo niwe wari warababujije kwicana.

Karangwa: Ninacyo cyerekana ko jenocide Atari uburakari bw’abahutu ngo babuze umubyeyi wabo kuko nko muri butare ntabwo bicaga kuko ntabo bishe bari baturutse muri gikongoro ariko prefe waho yari yagerageje kubabuza kwica baraza barabanza baramwica kuri iyo tariki nyine nibwo haje ikamyo yuzuye abajandarume baratubwira ngo nije kuturinda turabyishimira bucyeye kuri makumyabiri nimwe mu ma saa tanu ashyira saa sita bamwe batetse abandi bahuye inka natwe abana turi hanze turimo dukina urumva narimfite imyaka hafi umunani urumva naburaga ukwezi kumwe turigukina n’abandi bana twumva baturikije amashashi ako kanya n’imbunda ziratangira babajandarume nta nuwamenye ahantu interahamwe ziturutse zahise ziba nyinshi ahantu kandi utababonaga.

Karangwa: Ziza zambaye ibintu by’amashara bamwe ku mitwe abandi kuri ceinture ubona kandi aribenshi ubona ari ibintu bari bapanze ubona Atari ibintu bapfuye kugwirira abantu ubwo twarahungabanye bamwe dusubira mu mashuri twari turimo abandi bigumira hanze bati twogupfira munzu basigara barwana abari bahuye inka bazitereza birukanka barazizana ubwo twagumye aho twikingiranye hanze intambara irakomeza amasasu iki imipanga abacu nabo bari guterana amabuye noneho twagiye kubona tubona ishuri twari turimo haje interahamwe nyinshi nk’eshanu cyangwa esheshatu papa akizibona ahita ahaguru arajyenda yegamira urugi ahita ahamagara abandi baraza bararutsikamira baraza bagakubitaho ikintu hakanga gufunguka babonye byanze bafata ipata ryari riri inyuma bararikinga bashyiramo igiti bati aba turabikuza babivuga twumva hanze ngo bari bahari nuwo kalisa niho yari ari yewe na gaspard nari ndi munzu ndi kumwe na hariette na papa na mama nabo muri famille ariko abo bandi bo bari hanze bakuru banjye ngo barajyendaga bagatora amabuye bakayazana.

Karangwa: Bakajya batera izo nterahamwe yewe hari naho bajyeze bakajya burira amazu bagakuraho amatafari bakayamanura ngo bajye gutera abantu noneho nka saa cyenda twagiye kumva twumva amasasu aracecetse tumenya ngo ko ari ngo amasasu abashiranye ubwo abagabo bari bari hanze birukankanye interahamwe zikajya ziva munzira zikajya zihagarara hariya zikabarerebera zabuze icyo gukora noneho umuntu wari uri hanze papa ararunguruka gutya mukadirishya aramuhamagara araza ati dufungurire arafungura dusohokamo twiruka ubwo nasohotse ndi kumwe na mama na hariette turasohoka twiruka nyine ubwo turajyenda tutazi aho tujya dushoreye mama dukururana turajyenda papa wentibonanye urebye ninicyo gihe muherukira ubwo twaragiye tugeze imbere yikibikira ahita asesera munsi yasenyenge araza atugera turakomezanya noneho tujyeze imbere gato mama aramubwira kuko twarimo tujyenda gahoro abanza kumubwira ati se wafashe umwana umwe mukihuta ko ubona jyewe ntabashije yarwaraga ibintu by’imitsi beatha aranga ati oya tujyane sinagusiga turakomezanya tugera ahantu mugishanga cya gatobwe turikugenda gahoro abantu benshi badusize tubona nko ku musozi hagiye kumanuka igitero gihari kirimo kimanuka noneho mama aramwinginga ati kiriya gitero nikibatanga kugera mugishanga muraba mukabonye ati mbabarira ufate umwana umwe mwihute.

Karangwa: Ati nanjye kuko ari babiri bari kundushya ati fata umwe nsigarane undi mugende beatha wenda bamwe bapfa abandi bagasigara ati cyangwa se tugakira ntawamenya ati ariko two gupfira hamwe ubwo beatha yageze aho aremera amfata ukuboko turajyenda ubwo hariette na mama nabo mbaheruka ubwo ngubwo ubwo twaragiye tujyeze muri cya gishanga dusakirana n’igitero kirimo umusirikari umwe arimo kujyenda arasa isasu rimwe rimwe ariko noneho n’interahamwe nyinshi ubwo neza neza twahageze dukubitana uwo musirikari ari imbere yacu beatha rero sinzi aho yari yarabikuye ahita andyamisha andyama hejuru umusirikare asakuza ngo muhagarare ararasa arashe niba yararashe mubitaka numvise utuntu twudutaka bitungwa inyuma ku maguru arakomeza ari gutera intambwe yigira imbere akirasa araturenga akimara kuturenga beatha yahise ahaguruka arampagurutsa turiruka noneho tukiruka gutyo interahamwe imwe ihita imubwira ngo zana amafaranga iramufata yari afite agashakoshi yambaye mu ijosi yabikagamo bibiriya bibiliya yo yari ayifite mu ntoki ahita akamushikuza gutya na bibiliya irangwa akamushikuje beatha ahita yirukanka arakomeza aramucika noneho tugeze imbere ubwo muri uko kumushikuza twahise tuba nka batandukanye ageze imbere undi amwambura ikoti nawe yari yambaye nawe aramucika asigarana ikoti gusa ariko ahita amutera n’ikibuye.

Karangwa: Kimugwa kukibuno ariko ntiyabyumva ntiyabyitaho arikomereza noneho nanjye ubwo aho nagiye naragiye imbere hari harakantu kumugende k’umugezi ngwamo nsa nuguyemo hanyuma mbyutse mpingukira imbere y’interahamwe ifite ubuhiri burimo imisumari yitwaga ngo ntampongano y’umwanzi noneho ndamubaza yari arimo abwira abaruguru ngo abo Bantu sha ntibabacike noneho niba ari ubwo niba ariki mpita mubaza ngo uvuze ng’iki?sinibuka ibitutsi yantutse ndakomeza ndiruka noneho tugeze imbere beatha we yasaga nuwakirenze noneho ajyeze ahantu hatakiri interahamwe kuko zariho zavansa zegera imbere ahindukiza amaso inyuma arampamagara ampamagaye ampamagaye ndumva ijwi rye mpita mpindukiza amaso inyuma ndamuhamagara nanjye duhita tubonana gutyo mpita niruka gutyo musanga mugezeho amfata ukuboko turongera turagenda ubwo twaragenze gutyo tuza guca ahantu twacaga ahantu mubihuru gutyo ntabwo twacaga munzira nyabagendwa.

Karangwa: Noneho tuza guca ahantu nko kumusozi gutya tugenda kuntuza y’umusozi kuwundi musozi hakurya hari abandi Bantu bafite imbunda bariho bajyenda barasa kuri icyo gice baraturasa ariko turajyanda hari umugore twasanze bamurahse yenda kugwa arimo abwira abantu ngo bamumukurire mumugongo batari kumwumva batamwitayeho mbese noneho beatha arunama amumukuriramo ariko yatekereje kumutwara abona ntaho ari bumugeze kuko yumvaga natwe ntaho turi bujye amumutereka iruhande rwe turakomeza tugeze imbere noneho duca ahantu noneho mumugano duca ahantu noneho hatuje hacecetse ariko bwatangiye kwira hari umwana ariho ataka ahamagara mama we tukamubwira tuti ngwino tujyane akanga turakomeza buba bwijimye noneho bwije cyane tujyera ahantu twagombaga kwambuka ugasimbuka igihuru hepfo hari umugina yancisha hejuru ngo manuke singere hasi kandi na none twajya guseseramo amahwa akadufata noneho ntihabonaga nta nubwo yabonaga nabari iruhande rwe ariko apfa kubwira umuntu ati wa musore we wamfashije uyu mwana nkaza kwambuka ukamumpereza ubwo yari ariho abwira kalisa atabizi kalisa ahita yumva ijwi rye ahita amuhamagara aramubaza ati se uwo ninde ati ni janvier ubwo tuba turabonanye ubwo ngubwo rero nibwo twari duhuye na kalisa tubonanye dukomezanya urugendo ndibaza ko beatha we yumvaga asa nuruhutse ariko njyewe nari ntaramenya ibintu turimo ibyo aribyo kuko nabonaga tujyenda hepfo nkabona abantu barimo barapfa sinzi njyewe nta nubwo numvaga ngo ndi bupfe ntakibazo narimfite ikibazo cyari icyo kwirirwa ngenda ntazi niyo ngana hanyuma turakomeza turajyenda kalisa yahise atubwira ko yahuye nawa marume wari utuye kumuyange witwa rubayiza ko ngo bamurashe areba ko ngo yasize amaze nk’uwapfuye.

Karangwa: Ngo ko yasize amurambitse ibishangari ahantu atekereza ko yapfuye nyine ubwo turakomeza twari turimo tugana iyakanyaru tuza guca ahantu mumuhanda turambuka haca imodoka y’abasirikari duhita dukwira imishwaro duca munsi y’umuhanda turamanuka noneho tugeze kukanyaru twanze guca iya douane kuko twumvaga ko haba hari abasirikari duca muyo mu mazi tugeze hepfo ku nkombe tugitegereje ko twakwambuka twumva umuntu arimo arahamagara amazina yababyara banjye abana barubayiza akayahamagara yose akayahetura noneho beatha aribaza ati se uwo muntu ninde?ubwo nibwo avuze ati reka njye kumureba nsigaraho na kalisa noneho mugihe mpindukije amaso gato rubayiza yari yicaye kuruhande yambaye igikoti cy’icyatsi gusa naramubonye ngirango n’umusirikari nshaka kwiruka kubera iryo koti ndavuga nti dore umusirikari bahindukiye basanga ni rubayiza yicaye aho ari kuvirirana .

Karangwa: Ubwo ahita atubwira ko yari yatumye abana be ngo bajye kumushakira amazi ko uwo nguwo ari immaculée wagiye kubahamagara uwo barimo bumva nyine ubwo mukanya bahise baza na beatha bose baraboneka twicara aho ngaho kuko beatha jenocide yabaye ibyo bihembye bibiri yari amaze abyigisha kuko yari yarabashije kurangiza secondaire yaratangiye kwigisha aho rero ibuhoro yari afite amafaranga rero makeya bari baramuhembye niyo yatanzeho baratwambutsa nuwo muryango wa marume natwe ubwo twari tubonanye turi abavandimwe batatu nanjye wa kane ubwo turambuka tujyeze I Burundi bacana umuriro hakurya y’amazi ndanasinzira ngirango nari naje nari mfite ibitotsi muri icyo gihe kuko ndabyibuka turino kuza hari aho nabwiye beatha nti ndumva nshaka gusinzira.

Karangwa: Noneho arambaza ngo nkureke se wiryamire? Ngo ngusige aha wiryamire ndamuhakanira nti oya mpita nanarekera aho sinanongera guhingutsa ibyo gusinzira turakomeza ubwo rero tujyeze aho I Burundi bacanye umuriro njyewe nahise nsinzira turara aho bucyeye nko mu ma saa kumi nibwo twahise tujyenda nti twatinze aho turazamuka twahingukiye ahantu hitwa imparamirundi ngirango hari impunzi nyinshi nyine tuhageze nabwo urumva n’inzara twari twavuye ni karama tutariye kuko baturashe ibiryo bitarashya turaza n’inzara n’umunaniro sinzi umusirikari waho ngaho wambonye arambwira ati ngwino nguhe ibiryo arajyenda aranyakira muri restaurant ndumva byari ibirayi biriho n’amashu gusa mbere ya jenocide byabindi abana binempfaguzwa sinaryaga amashu ubundi ariko icyo gihe kubera inzara nari mfite narabiriye byose hanyuma tuguma aho ngirango twaharaye rimwe beatha akomeza kujya agura icyayi n’imigati muri ya mafaranga noneho rero bazana imodoka baza kudutwa munkambi bashyiragamo impunzi ubwo abo bo kwamarume usibye ko we bahise bamujyana mubitaro.

Karangwa: Abandi babajyanye ahitwa kumubuga kumubuga imodoka twari turimo twe yahageze bavuga ngo huzuye bahita badukomezanya batujyana imureke tugeze imureke twanga kuguma aho twenyine turavuga tuti dusubire kumubuga ati wenda niho hari abandi tuziranye ntabyo kuba hano twenyine turi mugusubirayo twafashe uwakaburimbo n’amaguru hari ahantu twageze hari hari abarundi barimo gutyaza imihoro noneho duhita tubona imodoka y’abasirikari iraje y’abarundi bariruka babantu barangije bahita badushyira mu mudoka baratubaza bati murajya he? Tuti turajya kumubuga bati ntimubona ko bariya bari bagiye kubica turongera dusubira ni mureke sinzi ibyo bari baje kujyana basubiyeyo baradutwara natwe ubwo tujya kumubuga dutyo dusangayo abandi barafashe hari inzu bari barafashe sinzi aho bayikuye tuyigumamo.

Karangwa: Noneho njyewe sinahatinze hari data wacu wabaga I Burundi yari umusaza twamwitaga mutama yohereza umukobwa we wabaga ibujumbura ngo aze munkambi kureba ko hari uwo yahamenya yaratubonye hanyuma njyewe ahita antwara hanyuma abandi abasigira ibyo kurya imigati ndagenda mba I Bujumbura nyuma yaho ajyana mukibitoki cya rugombo aho data wacu yabaga njya kubana nawe hari ahantu rero muri village hari ahantu rero muri village harimo abana benshi harimo ingo nyinshi hari ubuzima busanzwe bwo bujya kumera nkubwo twabagamo na mbere nsa numenyereye ntangira no kujya mvuga ikirundi ariko muri njye numvaga ntabwo najyaga nishima numvaga ntishimye ukuntu ariko ntazi n’ikibazo mfite muyandi magambo ubwo twagumye aho igihe cyo gutahuka kigeze batwuriza imodoka turaza tujya I kibungo ariko muri iyo nkambi ubwo bari babashije kubonanirayo naba egide naba gaspard bose babonanye.

Karangwa: Ababyeyi aribo batabonye nyine ubwo twagiye aho ikibungo niyo famille yo kwa mutama nabo bahungu be babaga kumubuga bari barashatse bose bahari na rubayiza yaranakize ari kumwe n’abana be ariko umugore we ntabwo yari ahari kuko jenocide yabaye arwaye aba ikibeho ubwo nawe ntabwo bari bazi amakuru ye ariko baje kumuzana nyuma nawe yararokotse adusanga aho ikibungo uwo mutama hari umuhungu yari afite wabaga mugatsata hariya karuruma niwe waje kutureba aravuga ati nzabatwara mbajyane hariya mugatsata ntabwo maguma hano mwenyine yazanye imodoka yi camionette adupakiramo twese nabo bo kwa oncle no kwa data wacu bose aratuzana mukuza twagize impanuka hapfamo umwana umwe umwuzukuru wuwo mutama abandi turakomereka cyane tujya mubitaro hariya I rwamagana tuvuyemo tuza aho ngaho ikaruruma adushakirayo amazu tubayo twagumye hariya jya kurangiza cya gihembwe cya gatatu ahantu hitwa kugihogwe ariko niga ntakigenda ndigutsindwa cyane noneho.

Karangwa: Ntazi uko byagenze kandi kera nari umuhanga nyuma yaho baje beatha we nkigera ikibungo ntago nahamusanze we na kalisa nasanze nasanze kalisa we yaragiye mugisirikari beatha we yabaga kuwundi mu oncle hariya ikigali ariko nyuma yaje kudusura tukibonana icyo nakoze nukurira muri icyo gihe ntabwo nakundaga kuvugayaba ari ikimbabaje yaba ari ikinshimishije akenshi icyo nabonaga surtout nkiyo nabonaga abantu tudaherukana sentiment kwabaga ari ukurira gusa ubwo ngubwo nyuma yaje gushyingirwa aza kuba I nyamirambo hanyuma nza kurwara marariya ndaremba cyane aza kuntwara ajyana kwa muganga hanyuma mpita ngumayo mba hariya inyamirambo naje kujya kwiga muwa kabiri ajyana ku ishuri hariya ku kivugiza I nyamirambo.

Karangwa: Mpiga uwakabiri ariko nabwo nsindwa cyane ngira amanita mabi cyane kandi numva ntazi nibyo kwiga numva ntabyitayeho nka tsindwa nkumva ntacyo bimbwiye ubona ntazi ukuntu nabaye ikindi kibazo nagiraga numvaga ntabwo nakundaga umuntu umbaza kubintu by’ababyeyi umuntu wambaza ngo papa wawe yitwa nde? Ngo aba he ? numvaga ntamuntu nshaka ko abinyibutsa hanyuma turakomeza mba aho ngaho njya gusibira ahantu bita saint charles rwanga hafi ya saint andre nigayo mu wa kabiri ariko noneho ntangira kugarura akenge mba uwa karindwi mba uwagatanu bitangira kuza noneho njya camp Kigali mu wagatatu nkihagera ndibuka nahise mba uwagatatu ubundi ndakomeza njya kuri wa mwanya wambere ndakomeza ndiga noneho nsa nusubiye mubuzima busanzwe na kagahinda kaza kugenda kagabanuka.

Karangwa: Ndetse no gushira nyuma yaho niho natekereje ko nari nahahamutse kuko numvaga nagiraga ikibazo ariko nkumva ntawe nshaka kukibwira nkumva nta n’umuntu nkwiye kukibwira nkumva nta nuwanyumva nuwo mushiki wanjye yakoraga uko ashoboye kose ngo ampumurize akamfata neza ariko njyewe kurinjye numvaga ntakintu nkwiye kumubwira numvaga ntacyambabaje ntaki ntacyo namusaba ariko nyuma yaho byagiye kuza birashira burundu kuburyo ubu numva ntakibazo mfite gusa icyo kibazo wenda kihahamuka kugeza na nubu nicyo kijya kimbabaza mu bibazo jenocide yasize iyo mbona abandi Bantu bahahamuka numva ari ikibazo kirambabaza cyane